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She-Hulk Asks Some Very Valid Questions in “Whose Show Is This?”

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Published on October 13, 2022

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Tatiana Maslany as human version Jennifer Walkters in She-Hulk
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Well, that was something, wasn’t it? I can make one very definitive statement about a season finale that left me with a lot of mixed feelings: It certainly did some things I did not expect.

And the episode signals from the very start that this is no ordinary episode of TV. The intro we glitch right into is straight from 1978’s The Incredible Hulk, and it’s both a delight and a hint of the extra meta-ness to come. It’s just Jen’s dream, but it feels as likely as anything.

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So Jen’s in prison because she took Intelligencia’s bait, and all anyone saw was an out of control Hulk. Poor underused Mallory Book brings her trademark hardass-ness to bear here and it’s one of the most emotionally effective moments; we know Mallory has a softer interior, but when she’s all business, she doesn’t leave any room for squish.

Much of the tactics and language She-Hulk’s writers use is unnerving because it’s so real and relatable—for example, the neighbors who claim they don’t feel safe living near Jen, or Dennis (UGH) going on TV to straight-up lie about his relationship with Jen, and about her personality. The media follows her from her empty apartment to her parents’ house, where Jen does what countless disgraced, disappointed, and wounded ordinary people have done: moves home to regroup and lick her wounds. But: “We’re not doing a narrator. We’re not that off the rails.”

(The fourth-wall breaking slowly building is one of this episode’s most elegant choices.)

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The plot, such as it is, is simple: Jen gets out of prison, loses her job, moves home, but doesn’t give up; Nikki and Pug are on her team, and Nikki has the horrible, clever, awful, uncomfortable idea to use Jen’s mom’s video of college Jen’s goofy dancing to break into the Intelligencia world. And everything goes exactly as planned: Pug goes undercover into their gathering, Todd reveals himself as HulkKing and the mastermind of it all, Emil shows up as the men’s rights life coach, and Jen stumbles onto all of this, having run off to Emil’s retreat for a mental health break. Everything converges! Titania appears! Bruce returns from space!

Except that climax, in a word, sucks.

So Jen takes matters into her own hands.

For all my complicated feelings about how this plays out, I love this concept. I love Jen smashing her way all the way through that fourth wall, through the Disney+ menu screen (is this the whole reason that Assembled thing exists? I certainly like to think so), through the Marvel lot, through the (actual) writers’ room, past the absurd and probably realistic NDA, and into the company of Kevin.

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Or should I say: K.E.V.I.N.: Knowledge Enhanced Visual Interconnectivity Nexus. This is not Kevin Feige, Marvel mastermind; this is an AI which comes up with all Marvel’s plots. And after he tells She-Hulk to turn back into Jen for budget reasons (off-camera, please, ha ha), Jen gives him a piece of her mind. A piece of many of our minds, really.

Is this enjoyable? It sure is. Yes, I enjoyed someone in-universe calling Marvel on their tiresome run of daddy issues! Yes, this exchange might have been my favorite thing in the entire episode!

“A woman has needs.”

“Historically, we’ve been light in that department.”

This is what the lawyer show has been building to, and what the cliched plot threads have been building to: Jen making a case that it can be better. That a story doesn’t have to be made up of all the stories that came before it (right down to Hulk blood/supersoldier serum plots!). That a show in which our heroine regularly breaks the fourth wall should not have an ending that feels synthesized from previous Marvel endings and allows the male characters to stomp all over her narrative. That there is a point to the fourth-wall breaking. It’s not just for shits and giggles. It’s for Jen to take control, to talk to us about her narrative, and then to talk to K.E.V.I.N. about her narrative. It’s for a woman to say “You’re not doing right by me,” quite forthrightly and clearly.

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And then she gets her ending, in which she faces Todd as Jen, no smashing needed, and Daredevil shows up in broad daylight, which was truly the most disconcerting moment of an episode that was full of them. (Ditto Matt’s light blue plaid in the last scene!) Everything wraps up—on Jen’s terms. In-show, I love it. Creator Jessica Gao and her team did something really, truly different with Jen’s story. They gave us a handful of perfect secondary characters, like a fun lawyer show would. They kept the stakes grounded, for the most part, resisting the temptation to fly up and off the personal-level handle, and keeping the Giant Marvel Plotline intrusions to a relative minimum.

They gave us Emil Blonsky, haiku-writing life coach, for crying out loud! There’s cleverness and there’s sweetness, and through it all there’s Maslany, who is so good I actually did forget about Orphan Black from time to time. I don’t know that this could’ve worked without her.

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But in the bigger picture, the meta-finale feels a little bit like being patted on the head and given a cookie. It’s a very safe way for Marvel to acknowledge many complaints viewers have had over the years and years of Marvel movies, without necessarily doing anything about it outside the confines of this one show. Maybe, just maybe, a person might hope that Jen giving new data to K.E.V.I.N. will affect how future stories get told. But that requires a level of optimism that I don’t think Marvel has earned. I am incredibly glad that this show—the finale in particular—gets to exist on its own terms. But that doesn’t change the fact that in order to reset the climax, we still had to have a whole season of that plot: of the Hulk blood threats, of the Intelligencia, of the still-mystifying Titania, and of really heavy shit still unaddressed.

Yes, I’m sorry, but we need to talk about Josh.

I didn’t bring this up last week because I wanted to wait and see if the show would do anything about it. But it just slips by, barely acknowledged, just part of the general awful misogyny of Intelligencia overall. What Josh did, beyond the obvious phone-copying and invasion of privacy … well, it probably varies from state to state. But he slept with Jen under false pretenses. Using fraud to convince someone to sleep with you is a form of rape. When it became clear what Josh had done, I had a really unpleasant visceral reaction, imagining how it would feel to be in Jen’s position. Her anger is more than justified. But she only gets a moment of it,, at the end of the previous episode. It never comes up again. Todd gets his legal comeuppance. But what of Josh? Where was he, in that barn gathering? Why put something this heavy and awful in the show and then back fully away from it?

And if right now you’re asking yourself, Why is this critic going on about such an ugly part of the series? Isn’t this show supposed to be fun? Yeah, it told us it’s a fun lawyer show. But the writers also decided to go down this very real story rabbithole about the kind of men who use the internet to destroy women’s lives. That is a real life issue, not just a superhero issue, and the story ducks the real-life part of it in favor of the superhero part, even as Jen defeats Todd on her own Jen terms, no smashing required.

It just doesn’t entirely sit right with me.

But: Yes to fourth wall breaking! Yes to Marvel menu smashing! Yes to “Bruce smashes buildings; I smash fourth walls and bad endings. And sometimes Matt Murdock,” a line which Maslany delivers with such perfect gusto that it goes a long way to begin to make up for many years of women’s sexual desires being an afterthought at best in Marvel Land. Yes to Bruce coming back but not to save the day; yes to Bruce casually introducing his son, Skaar (Will Deusner), in a way that does not usurp the storyline from Jen.

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(I was less psyched about the post-credits scene, but still: Everyone loves Wongers, myself included.)

Overall, She-Hulk succeeds in something the Marvel shows have struggled with: It is its own show. It doesn’t struggle to connect to bigger storylines, or suffer from having extra characters wedged in for nefarious Marvel purposes. Many of the conceits—the lawyer show, the fourth-wall breaking, the duality of Jen/She-Hulk and how Jen needs to accept the strengths of both sides of herself—are specific to the show. Women are always asked if they can “have it all,” which usually means a career and children. Jen’s version of having it all is very, very different, but the challenges specific to her experience are still relatable.

I do wish the origin story had gotten held until the end. The becoming She-Hulk sequences with Ruffalo were good, but they also suggested an angrier Jen than the character we actually got. She has all those good lines about “angry” being the baseline of a woman in the world, but then for most of the series, Jen is pretty easygoing, sometimes a pushover. If that whole training sequence had been a flashback that came after her rage comes out at the gala, it would’ve been different. We would’ve met Jen on normal Jen terms and gotten to know her—and then, after she (understandably) snaps, gotten all that insight into how she really feels. Into all that anger, held under, carefully balanced so that no one can see it. Anger that so many women are carrying.

That’s the true tension of She-Hulk: It’s a comedy, in theory; it’s a lawyer show; it’s a woman’s story that has strong ties to a lot of stories dominated by men—and it’s fueled by an anger that it can’t often show. There’s truth in that, and an emotional heftiness that is sometimes tucked behind the cleverness (and the occasional stumbles). But it’s there, and it’s real, and I hope we get another season or four of it—seasons in which Jen’s story really gets to be her own.

Also, I just really love this note about knees.

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ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

Well, they went full John Byrne. I was wondering if they could do anything that compared to the sequence in The Sensational She-Hulk #5 (an issue where Shulkie is trapped withing parodies of Saturday morning TV shows, as it happens) where she escapes a danger by tearing through the page and walking across a two-page back-issue ad to the next scene (with Byrne actually going to the trouble to fill the two pages with lots of tiny gag text). They did the equivalent with the Disney+ menu and Jen climbing down to the Assembled thumbnail. Clever meta joke, having her use the behind-the-scenes show to get behind the scenes.

Beyond that, She-Hulk arguing with the writer about his story choices was a trademark of the Byrne run in general. Although the roots of the bit go back even further. I was reminded of the episode of The Monkees where one of the boys gets upset about the script and storms off-set to complain to the writers, who IIRC turn out to be a room full of chimpanzees.

Still, I feel they overdid the meta here. While I’m amused by the idea of turning “Kevin” into a version of M.O.D.O.K., the whole storming-the-studio sequence went on too long, and they used making fun of the ending’s flaws as an excuse for not actually providing a better ending, just having everything be magically resolved all of a sudden. I was expecting Jen’s demands to lead to an alternate, better version of the climax, but instead we just missed it entirely. How was any of it ultimately resolved? Did Todd’s Hulk-blood injection just not work? Was Titania part of the final version or not? What was Titania’s whole deal anyway? They never satisfactorily made her a character rather than just a plot-convenient obstacle.

I loved the beginning, though. The riff on the Bixby/Ferrigno title sequence was nicely done, although I wish they’d found a narrator who sounded more like Ted Cassidy. (Maybe Fred Tatasciore, which would’ve been an in-joke in itself, since he’s Marvel Animation’s usual Hulk voice.) I also wish they’d credited the bodybuilder who played the Savage She-Hulk.

At first, I thought the video of Jen dancing in college was a clip of Orphan Black‘s clone dance party. College Jen looked a lot like Cosima. But I guess they were riffing on the time that conservatives tried to embarrass Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez with a harmless video of her dancing in college.

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Mr. Magic
2 years ago

The K.E.V.I.N. sequence, broke me, but not for the reason you think.

Of all things, it was that the robot was still wearing Feige’s trademark baseball cap.

For some reason, that just set me off and I lost it.

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

@2/Mr. Magic: I didn’t parse that structure as a baseball cap until you mentioned it.

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Mr. Magic
2 years ago

@3,

Yeah, it’s easy to miss and overlook with the lightning.

Anyway, given the ending reveal, I imagine Greg Paak’s having a very good Thursday.

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sue
2 years ago

K.E.V.I.N x GLaDOS = OTP

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2 years ago

I’ve enjoyed the series quite a bit, but the finale is easily my least favorite episode.

I share @1’s criticism about the actual wrapping up of the plot.  I thought the fourth wall breaking was really fun, but I wanted to see Jen dropped back into the scene so we could see it play out in a more satisfying way.  I love everything that Jen said to K.E.V.I.N about the larger state of MCU storytelling, but I felt cheated when it came to the end of She-Hulk specifically.

Like the reviewer, I was really disappointed by the lack of consequences for Josh and the complete skimming over of any deeper emotional reaction on Jen’s part.

Ultimately, for all that I genuinely enjoyed the show, I think it was trying to be too many things at once.  It was never really funny enough to be a comedy, and it never took the legal stuff seriously enough to work as a legal show.  And it very intentionally avoided engaging in the superhero antics of other MCU shows.

Maslany was excellent, and I’m glad they leaned into the fourth wall breaking from the comics, and I think they struck the right overall tone for the show.  But I never felt like it really found a balance between the “case of the week” and the ongoing plot threads, and the finale chose to hand wave them rather than actually tie them together.

 

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2 years ago

I would say the ending went full “Blazing Saddles,” with the heroes breaking through walls that turn out to be the fourth wall, and emerging in the movie studio. They owe Mel Brooks a thank you note! (And I loved KEVIN and the meta comments on the MCU.)

Except for the origin story episode, which gave us a lot of backstory and scene-setting and origin story in a clunky manner, I enjoyed the series quite thoroughly. Maslany was a joy to watch, and absolutely nailed the part. I’m looking forward to Season Two!

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

@7/AlanBrown: Well, Blazing Saddles was nothing if not a live-action Warner Bros cartoon with Cleavon Little in the Bugs Bunny comic-hero role. It was literally from WB, and it emulated many of the tropes of the Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies, including the tendency of the characters to break the fourth wall.

Before Blazing Saddles or the Monkees episode I mentioned, there was Chuck Jones’s Duck Amuck, perhaps the archetypal “fictional character argues with his creator” story. Although it probably has antecedents in turn going all the way back to Out of the Inkwell and Gertie the Dinosaur, with cartoon and artist interacting.

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rm
2 years ago

As others have said, the disappointment was not seeing Jen confront the misogynist crowd with real anger that gets backed up with serious legal charges — we just see the end, and never what happened to the rapist Josh. The show skips the part where she gets angry and uses it effectively. Otherwise, it was fun. 

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2 years ago

Heh, going along with the Mel Brooks thing, the thing I actually thought of was that scene in Robin Hood: Men In Tights where Robin “loses” the archery contest and then they all check the scripts and realize he gets another shot :D

Unfortunately, I watch with captions on and it completely spoiled the K.E.V.I.N. reveal, because whenever the writers said his name, they captioned it as the acronym (but Jen’s dialogue got the actual name Kevin) so it was clear it was some type of WALL-E style AI.  (I wish captions were more sensitive to spoilers in general as they often caption lines of dialogue too early or put character names on to dialogue that hasn’t yet been revealed as belonging to a specific character but…alas).

Anyway I have about the same thoughts here – the finale completely fell flat for me. The first part mostly worked for me, and I was honestly devastated to realize they were in Emil’s lodge (although I think it’s fair to assume he might not have realized exactly what type of group he was booked for). 

But the 4th wall breaking/lampshading just went way too far for me. At some points it felt like I was being lectured. And the lampshading isn’t even that clever – I’ve read a dozen snarky blogs/reactions that point these things out, it’s not like they brought some new and interesting insight to the table.  I also think some works use lampshading as an excuse to get away with lazy plotting…like, as long we make fun of ourselves, it’s okay.

And what really frustrates me is that they didn’t really come up with anything better! I totally agree with some of the points about how this allows Jen to refocus the narrative on her own terms but then it also skipped over everything.  So what WAS the point of stealing her blood? Was the wrecking crew guy actually part of Intelligencia, or just hired by them?  Completely on board with the fact that Josh gets no real consequences for something that is a huge violation (and that I would consider rape). 

Even the fact that Jen’s legal consequences were dropped was kind of strange, because I don’t see how the reveal of Intelligencia changed anything – it seemed pretty obvious from the start that somebody had leaked the data maliciously and the big issue was that she ‘lost control’ (which is obviously bullshit, but exposing Intelligencia doesn’t really change that).  I could see it being something like an appeal where she can argue she was provoked/attacked, but it doesn’t seem like that was what happened.  Or maybe they should have just had the inhibitor be something she had to wear while on ‘bail’, but she still had a trial coming.  

Anyway, I usually like weird (WandaVision is exhibit A and in my opinion a far superior example of a show within a show) but this was a little too weird to the point where I didn’t really feel like I was watching a STORY anymore.  And to be sure – Jen has an awesome story in there, and she is a character worthy of one. 

I was really hoping Madisynn would be in the end credits scene, but alas, haha.

 

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2 years ago

I didn’t care too much for most of this series, in part because the writers’ ignorance of legal procedure kept breaking my suspension of disbelief with every courtroom scene.  I did like this week’s episode, though, as actual surprising endings are rare in the MCU.

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Cassie
2 years ago

The Josh part really bothered me too. I think they knew how awful it was or they would have shown him at the meeting at the end,  but he was absent. 

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Marcus Pitcaithly
2 years ago

At least this answered the question of the group. They were on the level. Wrecker had no idea what the “private event” was, none of the others from the group were there except Blonsky, and he had just been hired as a speaker. (When the fighting starts he seems taken by surprise and apparently tries to protect Jen, and the only anger she shows towards him is for breaking his parole terms.)

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2 years ago

Rereading my comment in the light of day – I just wanted to clarify that I meant I am “completely on board with THE CRITICISM that Josh got away with what amounts to rape’ not with that fact itself.

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MissAnna
2 years ago

So, that opening.

It hit me right in my childhood.

And, it hit harder than would have ever expected it to. I tell you, I cried. Cried! Unexpectedly, but unabashedly, I cried nerd tears of joy at the beautiful homage to the Bill Bixby series. I had to pause to scream in disbelief for a bit, then I restart it to soak in the joy of the opening again.

This reminds me, of how I felt after I finished watching Werewolf by Night. As soon as it was over, I picked up my phone and looked up Kevin Feige’s age. There were too many GenX specific easter eggs, it felt like it was being marketed directly to me through my childhood tv/movie watching habits. Turns out, KF is but one year younger than I am. I know he didn’t direct WBN, but the MCU’s latest phase in particular has felt very personal to me in weird ways. Now I think I know why.

I suppose I’m just finally finding out what it’s like to have my generation making a lot of the content, the way boomers did for themselves in the 80s. This morning, I watched a few of my favorite youtube reactors, and the nostalgic power of that opening….it, uh, seems to REALLY depends on your age on how well it hits. Seeing that was pretty humbling (for me) to realize. But also funny, for some of them recognized it as “that old Hulk show.”    ***sigh***

My beefs with this show (I fully agree with others here, Josh needs comeuppance, Jen needs closure/justice) and its many storylines were nigh obliterated by my overwhelming joy at the nostalgic opening and the Blazing Saddles-esque 4th wall obliteration at the end.

Personally, I love it when I get extra details from the subtitles, K.E.V.I.N. vs Kevin was making me giggle madly during the writer’s room scene. 

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2 years ago

This is neck and neck with WandaVision for the #1 marvel show for my kids and I. Loki and Ms. Marvel being a close second, and I might put the latter up at the top as well depending on the day.

 

Other than Josh just being disappeared my only real complaint with the show is the presence of Titania. Remove her from the show and it loses practically nothing, and frees up space to deal more directly with the incel internet culture that was the real villain all along.

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2 years ago

I don’t understand how Jen’s fourth wall power is supposed to work: if I can see from the subtitles that K.E.V.I.N. is an AI, why can’t she? It just highlight how well-contained the show sits between its four walls regardless of how clever it claims to be with all the meta element. It’s like how we know She-Hulk meeting K.E.V.I.N. is not going to change anything about the culture of the company or the stories they tell. Don’t call it smashing the fourth wall if it’s not going to affect anything outside the script of this one episode.

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

@10/Lisamarie: “Heh, going along with the Mel Brooks thing, the thing I actually thought of was that scene in Robin Hood: Men In Tights where Robin “loses” the archery contest and then they all check the scripts and realize he gets another shot :D”

See The Muppet Movie for an earlier instance of the “characters reading the script to their own movie” gag. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an old vaudeville bit.

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Mr. Magic
2 years ago

@3,

So, according to Jessica Gao, the Baseball Cap-incorporated-into-K.E.V.I.N. joke had some fun development:

“I wrote in the script that when she sees this big AI machine, it’s wearing a little black baseball hat, a classic Kevin Feige-style black baseball hat. When the [visual development team] was showing us different possible sketches of K.E.V.I.N., they were all wearing little hats. No matter what type of robot or machine it was, it was wearing a little black baseball hat on top. [Human] Kevin said, ‘Well, that doesn’t make a lick of sense, why would a robot wear a hat?’ I said, ‘That’s the part that doesn’t make sense to you, Kevin, that is the line of logic that you won’t cross, we have you represented as an AI brain that is controlling all of the Marvel Cinematic Universes, but the thing that you can’t get past is that it might have a hat on top of the machine?’ And he said, ‘Yeah.’”

Heh. :D ;)

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Carla
2 years ago

I agreed with pretty much all of this review. Came out of the whole series thinking, hmm, oh, ok. Not bad, not great.

Moon Knight is the series I really liked, and I felt was really separate from the Marvel universe. Not perfect, but really interesting. 

Of course, the way a person like myself enjoys Marvel (someone who has never read a comic and knows nothing about any of the characters or stories in advance) vs a person who is already embedded in the comic and mythology of Marvel will be very different, I think. Must be tricky trying to appeal to both groups. 

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2 years ago

I don’t really know what else to say. I was really enjoying that this show wasn’t following a typical Marvel formula and was more like “old” television. I didn’t need it explained to me. I almost would’ve rather they didn’t introduce the blood plot at all and just kept it more episodic. It was a lot of set up for a gag that didn’t quite land. And ultimately, that commentary was just preaching to the choir. People who have stuck with the show this long get it, and maybe have already discussed it. If you don’t like this format, you’ve either quit, or you’re watching so you you can get more views by making an angry youtube rant about it. In the latter case, this episode isn’t going to sway you, and you’ll just rant about that message too.

I always sort of cringe at this level of fourth wall breaking. Like, I know it’s a show. But I also am invested at what happens in story. I would’ve been able to put up with this gag if, like CLB seems to suggest, they went back in time and then showed us how the night *really* ended. But they didn’t. They skipped forward, leaving us to scratch our heads at a bunch of things. So I feel like I was robbed of a story for the sake of the gag. It doesn’t come off as an exposé or comentary so much as lazy writing. Like they couldn’t think of an actual ending. It pains me to say that and also that the season ended this way, because I had been enjoying this show and would’ve defended it based on all the prior episodes. It stinks that the finalé was the dud.

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2 years ago

Oh, and as someone who hasn’t followed all the comics storylines, can someone explain to me, given the timeline the MCU has shown us, how Hulk’s son can be this old already?

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Mr. Magic
2 years ago

Of course, the way a person like myself enjoys Marvel (someone who has never read a comic and knows nothing about any of the characters or stories in advance) vs a person who is already embedded in the comic and mythology of Marvel will be very different, I think. Must be tricky trying to appeal to both groups.

Eh, sometimes, having foreknowledge and background info can be a pain in the ass.

Take Infinity War. I didn’t know for sure if the Snap was coming in this film, but I knew it was coming. Apart from storytelling basics and knowing it was a two-parter, you don’t adapt the Thanos story and not do its most iconic, horrific moment.

That’s why Endgame was fun. We knew the Snap was gonna be undone, but hot how — or who’d make it out alive.

Arben
2 years ago

Mostly excellent finale. Loved, loved, loved the opening and the fourth-wall breaking in general, especially the Disney+ menu trick, but…

@1. ChristopherLBennett: “I was expecting Jen’s demands to lead to an alternate, better version of the climax, but instead we just missed it entirely. How was any of it ultimately resolved?”

This. (Ditto also on thinking Young Party Jen was Cosima for a moment.)

Kudos to Maslany for great work in a show that let her and its premise down in various areas just a bit too often.

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Ron
2 years ago

Thought Josh would turn out to be the Asgardian shape shifter for hire. Also, not enough Madisynn.

Arben
2 years ago

@22. crzydroid — Skaar’s accelerated maturity is down to either or both parts of his part-Hulk, part-alien biology, I think. When superheroes’ kids are introduced in comics they almost invariably get aged up, at least for a time, when used as feature characters themselves; it’s their metahuman genetics, or they go to another time period and/or alternate dimension and return older, etc., if they’re not rapidly matured clones to begin with.

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2 years ago

@26: I also remembered later the line from Ragnarok that time on Sakaar works differently. 

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

So he’s Skaar from Sakaar? Gee, they didn’t put a lot of thought into coming up with a name, did they?

And who’s his mother? If Bruce was permanently in Hulk form for his entire time on Sakaar until Thor showed up, that raises many questions it would be indelicate to get into on a family-friendly forum.

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Mr. Magic
2 years ago

@28,

To be fair, the name’s all Greg Pak’s fault.

And Comics Skaar’s name symbolically made sense in the context of his birth — of being born out of a scarred (to say nothing of Hulk being dubbed ‘the Green Scar’ during Planet Hulk).

MCU Skaar? Well, we’ll have to see — and with Skaar having shown up, I wonder if we’ll be seeing Hiro-Kala, too.

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MissAnna
2 years ago

Thinking on it more, and one rewatch of the finale later, I realized they didn’t have to wrap anything up on the stolen blood plotline or Josh or any of it (and even though that’s a bit of a cheat, if I could “delete” the storylines in my life where I’ve been abused/violated, I would totally do it), because K.E.V.I.N. “deleted the storyline” altogether. Which means, with that bit of hand-waving, the many loose story threads related to it are *poof* gone!

 

Side note: Mentioning hand-waving reminded me of how much I enjoyed the way K.E.V.I.N.’s movements were animated. It had so much personality, I was giggling quite a lot at its little mannerisms and hand-clasping. 

 

ChristopherLBennett
2 years ago

@30/MissAnna: “I realized they didn’t have to wrap anything up on the stolen blood plotline or Josh or any of it (and even though that’s a bit of a cheat, if I could “delete” the storylines in my life where I’ve been abused/violated, I would totally do it), because K.E.V.I.N. “deleted the storyline” altogether. Which means, with that bit of hand-waving, the many loose story threads related to it are *poof* gone!”

Yes, that’s what they did, and that’s exactly what I object to. By just erasing the story threads, the writers dodged the need to actually resolve them, and that is lazy and unsatisfying writing, a complete cop-out. Breaking the fourth wall can be fun, but it shouldn’t be a total cheat, a mere handwave for the failure to structure the finale competently. They abused the privilege.

The point was supposedly that Jen was advocating for a better finale, but we never got to see that better finale. Instead, they just skipped over the resolution entirely.

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MissAnna
2 years ago

Bennett, I get you. I get the overall gripes, they are valid. 

but…. I’ve also been surprised down the line with Marvel stories that I initially took umbrage with, because of the way they fit it into the larger storyline later on. 

So…I’m willing to let this go with a little more leniency than I normally would. Curious to see what MCU seeds they planted that we overlooked while they were hand-waving. They may yet surprise us.

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MissAnna
2 years ago

MAYBE…..Maybe the TVA will come after K.E.V.I.N. for playing with timelines!

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2 years ago

Breaking the fourth wall can be fun, but it shouldn’t be a total cheat, a mere handwave for the failure to structure the finale competently. They abused the privilege.

The point was supposedly that Jen was advocating for a better finale, but we never got to see that better finale. Instead, they just skipped over the resolution entirely.

This. They spent the entire series building up a loose arc, bringing Titania in as an enemy(?), foil(?), future plotline(?), and adding the awful, awful Josh plot that went into very dark places, and then …

They waved their hands and jumped to a happy ending.  

Nothing is rewritten or undone it just–stops mattering ??  We, the audience have had to sit through all of it, are we supposed to stop caring? Does Jen no longer care? Have the show-public stopped remembering  She Hulk’s rampage?

I love the different kinds of friendships the show had, and they have a good cast and core of basic characters, but they flubbed the ending big time.